DOUBTFULL1799, I wonder if the WTB&TS was still suffering pangs of conscience over their earlier endorsement of medical "junk science" like radium cures and the Electronic Radio Biola, which arre discussed in the book "Demonism and the Watchtower" which is available from LuLu.com.
Nathan Natas
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"One drop of poison in a glass of water"
by stuckinarut2 intime to revive this well known, and often used jw illustration!.
"if you are in desperate need of a drink of water, and the glass in front of you is 99% clean, but contains just 1% poison, would you drink it??".
how often we heard this trotted out from the platform.. recently though, i have heard many examples of still-in jws sharing their observations about things that don't seem quite right with the current activities, direction and culture of the organization.
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"One drop of poison in a glass of water"
by stuckinarut2 intime to revive this well known, and often used jw illustration!.
"if you are in desperate need of a drink of water, and the glass in front of you is 99% clean, but contains just 1% poison, would you drink it??".
how often we heard this trotted out from the platform.. recently though, i have heard many examples of still-in jws sharing their observations about things that don't seem quite right with the current activities, direction and culture of the organization.
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Nathan Natas
"One drop of poison in a glass of water" sounds like the essence of homeopathy to me, and plenty of JWs are into that pre-scientific claptrap about how "vibrations" rule the universe.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Homeopathy
Homeopathy or homœopathy is a system of alternative medicine developed in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, based on his doctrine of "like cures like," a claim that a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people. Homeopathy is a pseudoscience – a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific. Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition; large-scale studies have found homeopathy to be no more effective than a placebo, indicating that any positive effects that follow treatment are only due to the placebo effect, normal recovery from illness, or regression toward the mean.
Hahnemann believed the underlying causes of disease were phenomena that he termed miasms, and that homeopathic preparations addressed these. The preparations are manufactured using a process of homeopathic dilution, in which a chosen substance is repeatedly diluted in alcohol or distilled water, each time with the containing vessel being struck against an elastic material, commonly a leather-bound book. Dilution typically continues well past the point where no molecules of the original substance remain. Homeopaths select homeopathics by consulting reference books known as repertories, and by considering the totality of the patient's symptoms, personal traits, physical and psychological state, and life history.
Homeopathy is not a plausible system of treatment, as its dogmas about how drugs, illness, the human body, liquids and solutions operate are contradicted by a wide range of discoveries across biology, psychology, physics and chemistry made in the two centuries since its invention. Although some clinical trials produce positive results, multiple systematic reviews have indicated that this is because of chance, flawed research methods, and reporting bias. Homeopathic practice has been criticized as unethical because it discourages the use of effective treatments, with the World Health Organization warning against using homeopathy to try to treat severe diseases such as HIV and malaria. The continued practice of homeopathy, despite a lack of evidence of efficacy, has led to it being characterized within the scientific and medical communities as nonsense, quackery, and a sham.
There have been four large scale assessments of homeopathy by national or international bodies: the Australian National Health and Medical Research Council; the United Kingdom's House of Commons Science and Technology Committee; the European Academies' Science Advisory Council; and the Swiss Federal Health Office. Each concluded that homeopathy is ineffective, and recommended against the practice receiving any further funding. The National Health Service in England has announced a policy of not funding homeopathic medicine because it is "a misuse of resources". They have called on the UK Department of Health to add homeopathic remedies to the blacklist of forbidden prescription items.
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FROM http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2018/02/08/scientific-anger-over-college-degree-in-homeopathy/ --
Scientific anger over college degree in homeopathy
By Marc Montgomery | [email protected]
Thursday 8 February, 2018
A number of medical and scientific personnel are expressing their shock at an Ontario Community College.
Starting this fall, Georgian College in Barrie, Ontario, will offer a diploma in homeopathy, a practice the critics says is mere quackery.
The critics are also upset that public money is helping fund the three-year course as the community college is publicly funded institution and students can request loans and grants from the publicly supported Ontario Student Assistance Programme.
The critics say the college course is legitimising a pseudo-science. In a 1998 editorial in the Journal of the American Medical Association, Drs Fontanarosa and Lundberg wrote in part; “There is no alternative medicine. There is only scientifically proven, evidence-based medicine supported by solid data, or unproven medicine, for which scientific evidence is lacking”.
In an open letter to the local paper the Barrie Advance, Dr. Chris Giorshev wrote in part that the otherwise respected college “has recently drifted into teaching pseudo-science by introducing a homeopathy program”.
Saying that homeopathy makes no scientific sense he wonders how such a course could “even be delivered ethically” then adds,”A harmful consequence of offering homeopathy at colleges is that it gives it an air of legitimacy. This greater perceived respectability will inevitably lead people to assume, quite wrongly, that homeopathy is a valid form of medical treatment”.
In a PostMedia article, Joe Schwarcz, director of McGill University’s Office for Science and Society is quoted saying, “The real danger in homeopathy is not toxicology — there’s nothing in there,” he added. “The real danger is toxicity to the mind because it can convince people to go down this ridiculous route when there actually might be treatments that can work for whatever condition they have.”
Homeopathy became a licenced profession in the province of Ontario in 2015, which also raised criticism at the time and since as giving some degree of legitimacy to the field.
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FROM https://www.rt.com/news/418444-ontario-college-homeopathy-pseudoscience/ --
‘3yrs of pseudoscience nonsense’: Canadian college forced to scrap homeopathy program
Published time: 11 Feb, 2018 03:03
A college in the Canadian province of Ontario has been forced to cancel its established three-year course in homeopathy after critics said the publicly funded institution is wasting taxpayers money on “pseudoscience.”
Georgian College in Barrie has created a three-year advanced diploma program aimed at teaching students “classical and contemporary homeopathic principles and techniques in the evaluation and treatment of acute and chronic health conditions,” based on “individualized, holistic and natural approaches to health and healing.” However, as soon as the program was publicly announced for next fall, it came under pressure from a local physician eager to shut the course down.
Ontario was the first province in Canada to regulate homeopathy in 2015 after the province’s Homeopathy Act (2007) came into force. The act formalized regulation for all professional homeopaths and created the College of Homeopaths of Ontario (CHO) to which all practitioners must belong. The unique six-semester program at Georgian College was designed to meet the requirements of the CHO, which falls under the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care.
However, staunch opposition to the program forced the publicly funded Georgian College to shut down its alternative medicine course over accusations of promoting “pseudoscience” and “magical thinking.” Local physician, Chris Giorshev, who chairs the Ontario Medical Association’s section on chronic pain, also accused the college of using “publicly funded health dollars for quackery.”
Homeopathy is a pseudoscience and this alone should be sufficient to reject the inclusion of such a program at a publicly funded institution,” Giorshev wrote in a letter to Ontario’s minister of advanced education and skills development, as well as the community college’s board and president. “There are at least 12 international organizations that have evaluated the literature and again and again they find homeopathy does nothing,” Giorshev, was quoted as saying by the National Post.
“To put students through three years of nonsense so that they can go out and practice placebo treatments is totally unfair to those students and it’s unfair to the public,” added Joe Schwarcz, director of McGill University’s Office of Science and Society, in an interview with CBC.
While the college defended its program as late as Friday morning, by afternoon it had announced the closure of the advanced diploma homeopathy course. “In light of the recent response from our local community and beyond ... Georgian College has made the decision to cancel the homeopathy program,” the college said in a statement.
While welcoming the “fantastic” news of the program cancellation, Giorshev however told Barrie Today he is still “concerned that it was introduced to begin with” and that “homeopathy is still considered a regulated profession.”
Invented in 1796 by German physician Samuel Hahneman, homeopathy is defined by the CHO to be “a system of medicine” based on the principle of “let likes be cured by likes,” which means that a substance that causes particular symptoms in healthy people should somehow cure similar symptoms in sick people. As of March 31, 2017, two years after proclamation of the Homeopathy Act 2007, the College of Homeopaths of Ontario had issued certificates of registration to 486 homeopaths.
The controversial practice has been long disputed worldwide. In 2009, the World Health Organization cautiously warned against relying on homeopathy in treating a select range of diseases, including HIV, tuberculosis, malaria, influenza and infant diarrhea. In 2015 the National Health and Medical Research Council of Australia said that there is no evidence that homeopathy is effective, adding that people who choose this treatment put their health at risk. homeopathy Last year, the Russian Academy of Sciences called homeopathy a “pseudoscience” with no scientific basis, saying its methods contradict chemical, physical and biological laws.
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Lengthy letter re: End Time Events / read ONLY if you still believe in God.
by mother Teresa inshalom,.
my mom's family is mostly jws.
during her second marriage, i attended the weekly meeting and sunday meetings (by my own choice) with a family in the very small town we lived, since my mom didn’t attend.
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Nota Bene:
POMO = physically out, mentally out
PIMO = physically in, mentally out
PM = private message (posted on this discussion board)
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…Is Jehovah Actively Exposing The Wicked Watchtower Society In The Child Abuse Cases? (Ezekiel 36:12)
by MADMARY inezekiel 36:3-15 tells us about a “bad report” that would go out among the nations about apostate israel.
verse 12 of this chapter shows us that jehovah takes a direct hand in this affair in fighting against his own people.
so we can ask, are we today seeing god’s active hand against the watchtower society in exposing the child abuse cases among jehovah’s witnesses around the world?
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Nathan Natas
Data_Dog revealed, "I thought Jehovah was one of Freddie’s shoes??"
This is an example of what happens when a brother fails to keep up with my chariot-like postings.
The Sock-Puppet revelation was offered a long time ago. How long I don't know, 'cause I just write this stuff, I don't read it.
(selah)
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Lengthy letter re: End Time Events / read ONLY if you still believe in God.
by mother Teresa inshalom,.
my mom's family is mostly jws.
during her second marriage, i attended the weekly meeting and sunday meetings (by my own choice) with a family in the very small town we lived, since my mom didn’t attend.
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Nathan Natas
I'm an atheist. I violated your prime directive and there ain't nothin' you or your Lord and Father can do 'bout it.
Blessed be.
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A different viewpoint of "many will come in my name saying I am the Christ"
by truthseeker inmost jws are familiar with the scripture at matthew 24:5: "for many will come in my name, saying, ‘i am the christ,’ and they will lead many astray.".
it is implied that people would come in jesus' name declaring that they were christ - but could there be another view on this scripture?
could this also mean that jesus said many would come in his name saying he is christ?.
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Truthseeker, seek this wisdom: Jesus dressed himself in mayonnaise.
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Sex and Rockets - Strange Angel CBS series, Charles Taze Russell and Jack Parsons
by truthseeker ini'm watching the cbs series strange angel.
it is based on a true story about jack parsons, who along with others, pioneered rocket development in 1930's america.. "strange angel, a drama series created by mark heyman (black swan, the wrestler) and based on george pendle's book of the same name, explores the dramatic intersection between genius and madness, science and science fiction.. the story follows the life of jack parsons, a mysterious and brilliant man in 1930s los angeles, who by day helps birth the entirely unknown discipline of american rocketry, and by night is a performer of sex magick rituals and a disciple to occultist aleister crowley.".
https://www.cbs.com/shows/strange-angel/.
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I'm curious about when this show is aired. Here in Seattle it is not on any schedule for DirecTV.
Jack Parsons was an interesting guy. I have both "Sex and Rockets" and "Strange Angel."
By the way, every day THOUSANDS of things happen just because two things happen on the same day does not mean they were connected, or a conspiracy, or fulfillment of wacko prophecy.
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…Is Jehovah Actively Exposing The Wicked Watchtower Society In The Child Abuse Cases? (Ezekiel 36:12)
by MADMARY inezekiel 36:3-15 tells us about a “bad report” that would go out among the nations about apostate israel.
verse 12 of this chapter shows us that jehovah takes a direct hand in this affair in fighting against his own people.
so we can ask, are we today seeing god’s active hand against the watchtower society in exposing the child abuse cases among jehovah’s witnesses around the world?
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Nathan Natas
NO.
Jehovah is a sock-puppet that is in the back of the bottom right-hand drawer of Freddy Franz's old desk which is stored in a barn somewhere in upstate New York.
Sock-puppets don't think and can only act when someone has their arm up its ass.
There is no spiritual realm that is a source of cosmic justice.
Next question, please.
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Was CT Russell a freemason or not
by UnshackleTheChains inok. many people deny ct russell was a freemason.
i have read articles whereby some have found no evidence to prove he was one at any point in his life.. however, given all the masonic symbols in the early publications including the use of the name jehovah ( the name the freemason's use to identify god), as well as the expressions used such as 'new world, new order' etc certainly raises suspicions.. then there is the article he wrote in the herald magazine outlining that he was a freemason (see the following video 40 seconds in).
it really does make you think!.
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DUBSTEPPED asked, "Am I wrong?"
Yes, in my opinion, at this time on this issue, you are in error. You said, "I was under the impression that CTR's group of Bible Students were comprised of people of all different faiths and that it was okay to mix." (Emphasis mine.)
ALL different faiths? How many Muslims?
None.
CTR thought it was his mission to gather the members of Christ's "Bride Class" from the various churches of Christendom into which they had been scattered. They were all nominal Christians who were to be prepared for their Everlasting Marriage in the world beyond.
This brings us to the question, "When we talk about Masons or Freemasons, what do we mean?"
This is what I mean:
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From Wikipedia, "History of Freemasonry"
Origins
Since the middle of the 19th century, Masonic historians have sought the origins of the movement in a series of similar documents known as the Old Charges, dating from the Regius Poem in about 1425 to the beginning of the 18th century. Alluding to the membership of a lodge of operative masons, they relate a mythologised history of the craft, the duties of its grades, and the manner in which oaths of fidelity are to be taken on joining. The 15th century also sees the first evidence of ceremonial regalia.
There is no clear mechanism by which these local trade organisations became today's Masonic Lodges, but the earliest rituals and passwords known, from operative lodges around the turn of the 17th–18th centuries, show continuity with the rituals developed in the later 18th century by accepted or speculative Masons, as those members who did not practice the physical craft came to be known. The minutes of the Lodge of Edinburgh (Mary's Chapel) No. 1 in Scotland show a continuity from an operative lodge in 1598 to a modern speculative Lodge. It is reputed to be the oldest Masonic Lodge in the world.
Alternatively, Thomas De Quincey in his work titled; Rosicrucians and Freemasonry, put forward the theory which suggested that Freemasonry was possibly an outgrowth of Rosicrucianism. The theory had also been postulated in 1803 by German professor; J. G. Buhle.
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From Wikipedia page on Rosicrucianism
Rosicrucianism is a spiritual and cultural movement which arose in Europe in the early 17th century after the publication of several texts which purported to announce the existence of a hitherto unknown esoteric order to the world and made seeking its knowledge attractive to many. The mysterious doctrine of the order is allegedly "built on esoteric truths of the ancient past", which "concealed from the average man, provide insight into nature, the physical universe, and the spiritual realm." The manifestos do not elaborate extensively on the matter, but clearly combine references to Kabbalah, Hermeticism, alchemy, and mystical Christianity.
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I will offer that the esoteric nature of Freemasonry makes it incompatible with CTR's teachings, also that the laws governing Freemasonry are extra-Biblical and to be shunned.
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Is There Life After Death
by Brokeback Watchtower ini think this is a well developed discussion, of ian stevenson's work in investigating people's past lives claims.
it's a little long.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0attm9hgcdw.
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Cofty opined, "Animals also have a consciousness to a lesser degree."
I would suggest that "different" might be better than "lesser" in this sentence.
I feel that remnants of Victorian chauvinism persist in our society. EVERYTHING that goes on in our brains goes on in the brains of our furry cousins. How can I say this? Because the hormones in mammalian brains are the same. These are chemical keys. If the keys are the same, the locks must be the same too.
I think anyone who really has a relationship with a companion animal knows what I'm talking about, while those who "own" pets they think are animatronic knick-knacks think I'm nuts.